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Preserving Plants and Profits

Updated: Mar 27

This week on The Stream of Conscience Podcast, co-hosts Kyle Cartwright and Graham Pansing-Brooks meet with Jeremy Manion, Director of Forestry Carbon Markets at Arbor Day Carbon, LLC. Arbor Day Carbon is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Arbor Day Foundation, created to accelerate the revitalization of forest ecosystems through nature-based solutions, specifically trees, by growing carbon market demand.

Arbor Day Carbon collaborates with farmers to plan working lands, protects lands for ecosystems and specific habitats, and restores land that was misused historically. Additionally, Arbor Day Carbon helps companies find the type of investment into forest and rural communities that align with their climate and impact goals. By changing the way businesses and farms use land and greenhouse gases, communities can work together to minimize the unnecessary harm that comes to people and ecosystems.

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If you haven't noticed the world is changing. Consumer and talent demands are evolving and businesses are being held accountable to a broader purpose. This is The Stream of Conscience Podcast, where we celebrate the businesses that are prioritizing purpose to achieve both financial returns and greater impact.

These stories highlight business as a force for good and good as a force for business.


[Kyle] Hey there. It's Kyle Cartwright. I am here as always with my partner and purpose and fellow co-hosts Graham Pansing-Brooks. Graham, and I are also co-founders of SEAchange, a consulting firm that helps purpose-driven businesses maximize their impact and engagement. If you've been listening for a while, you know that we're typically talking with business leaders who are blurring the line between profit and purpose. .

Today, we are taking things a little bit different and we're speaking with an organization who's taken a unique approach, uh, represents the flip side of that coin, a nonprofit leveraging profit generating subsidiaries and business practices to create positive change. We'd like to welcome to the show, Jeremy Manion, Director of Forestry Carbon Markets at Arbor Day Carbon LLC. Arbor Day Carbon is a wholly owned subsidiary of Arbor Day Foundation. Arbor Day Carbon was created to accelerate the revitalization of forest ecosystems through nature based solutions, specifically trees by growing carbon market demand.

As director of Forestry Carbon Markets, Jeremy leads, strategic partnerships, demand activities, market leadership, and future horizon planning at Arbor Day Carbon. By investing in people and partnerships, Jeremy and Arbor Day Carbon have rapidly enhanced the development of existing and new forestry carbon projects and made an impact on the carbon market.

So Jeremy, welcome again. And tell us, what does all this mean? How and why did Arbor Day Carbon come to be?

[Jeremy] Yeah, thanks, Kyle. Thanks Graham for having me really appreciate it. Yeah. So there's a lot of words in jargon in there. So need to do a little demystifying. Definitely. And we do this a lot. Um, so I think I'll, I'll take it into two parts.

I'll I'll address the nature based solutions part first, and then I'll kind of dive into the forestry carbon markets piece before we kind of dive into Arbor Day Carbon. If that sounds good. So first part, um, nature-based solutions. What does this mean? So on land. It's forest it's agricultural systems, it's wetlands.

And then also on the waterway side and ocean side, it's making sure our coastal areas are, have healthy landscapes. So it's a mangrove tree, sea grasses, kelp and corals right now. The kind of protection of these intact landscapes, the improving, how we have working lands. So farming lands, lands for wood products and then how we restore these ecosystems around the world to make sure they function to be homes for humans zones.

For other forms of life, be able to provide clean air, clean, clean habitat, clean water. Um, all of these things, we historically haven't put a price on the carbon markets are beginning to kind of put a price on all these deeper commodities and make, make our economy work and make our, make our communities healthy.

And so that's really what we do at the foundation is ultimately, um, help pay farmers. Um, and, and rural communities around the world to protect for us that, that still exists. Think of the Amazon basin to improve young and working for us, um, throughout the Southeast would production part of the, of the economy and in the U S and then also, um, for, for, you know, restoration activities.

And so mostly why we're losing forests around the world because agricultural conversion, uh, cattle, soy, palm oil. It's not that we have to pick or choose agriculture or forest it's. How do we kind of plan and in these landscapes to be able to have all, all three of these things, uh, working lands, lands that were, that we're protecting for, for kind of key habitat and ecosystem services.

And then also how our restoring lands that we've misused historically. Now they need time to recover. Um, and that's really where we specialize in the foundation is getting, getting new trees back in landscapes after some type of disturbance, uh, typically caused by humans. Um, And, you know, so that's, that's ultimately what it kind of boils down to is making sure that, that we work with, with landholders around the world, um, to help them not only produce commodities, they're currently producing three products, wood products, energy products.

Um, but how do we now do this also imbalance with, with the needs of teacher, to people, uh, the needs of, um, other forms of life around the. Um, she had things living in the soils, you know, large, large animals that we can kind of all see and appreciate ourselves as well. Um, that have, that might be endangered like the Louisiana black bear, for example.

Um, and then ultimately bringing opportunity, um, to, to these parts of the world, to where historically, um, you know, a lot of times in rural landscapes, you know, people have extracted value from ecosystems and people versus kind of built equity and, and, and putting the proper value on those things. And then they're in there.

What's what, what, what the intersection is the foundation sets that is really kind of intersection of, of the supply side of the market, which again are kind of farmers and rural land owners around the world. Um, the demand side of the market rationale, which are, which are large corporations and governments that are looking to achieve, um, you know, different types of climate goals, um, through, through the use of nature.

And so when you hear a company like a Procter and Gamble or a Microsoft going to be carbon negative or net zero, most of the times are using some type of force crabbing grid to help them get there, to achieve that in holistic goal. Um, and then also again, then on the, on the market side, how, how has this work done?

To ultimately be in balanced with people in nature. Um, by, again, putting a, a price on essential commodities that have invited historically clean air, clean water, healthy habitats, rural economy and a carbon credit really is, is just a tradable, commodity, um, life. So many other things are in the, in the world.

And so, one carbon credit equals one metric ton of carbon dioxide. Um, that then can be originated through protection of trees or growing of new trees. You can buy and sell those credits, just like you can a stock or a bond, and then ultimately retire those credits or taking them out of circulation for someone's benefit.

And so almost in a way, a non fungible token, as we hear that term a lot on the, on the market these days for, for different different means besides climate action. And so what gets me excited about all this, all this, all, all this work, um, is that it starts creating the opportunity in that value chain for, for the land holder, for the company and the governments, um, that are kind of working towards these broader global goals around sustainable development.

Um, to kind of ultimately create wins for that wins for all, instead of the winner, take all in that system. Um, which historically how you could argue that a lot of capitalism has, has kind of with the sole focus of profit existed. Um, and so really we're just trying to bring balance to all that and in a way that that, um, can live within the finite systems of the planet can sustain on a forward looking basis.

Um, And to shift how we value these systems, um, and how it can bring people together and unite. So many of the social challenges that exist today, whether it's political, racial, urban versus rural, um, ultimately everyone's on the same team here. Um, and we all benefit when we have healthy forest ecosystems, whether it's at a community level in cities or in rural parts of the world that maybe we don't do that quite so much anymore.

[Graham] Jeremy, that's really helpful context to hear more about, uh, the work that, that, that Arbor Day Carbon is doing. And, you know, in that discussion, you've, you've mentioned a couple different things in terms of carbon credits, greenhouse gas, emissions, environmental stewardship, from a corporate standpoint, you know, why is all of this sort of coming to a head at this point in time?

And how do we, uh, how do we better understand the role that Arbor Day Carbon is going to help play? Uh, as this, as this new market continues to mature.

[Jeremy] Yeah, great question. So I think what's kind of driving the, the awareness is, you know, with the growing imbalance that, that we have right now from a climate standpoint, um, you know, we've, we've taken a lot of greenhouse gases, um, buried in the ground in the form of fossil fuels and coal and things like that.

But then also. We've changed how we use land, um, again, around agriculture deforestation. And so these two things together are what's contributing to a increasingly unstable climate. Um, at the same time, you know, with the destruction of habitats, we we've lost, there's nearly a. Species of the four main species on the planet that are now at some form of threat.

Um, and, and again, rural people, rural economies around the world, but in the U S and in developing parts of the world have been left out of the economic success over the last three or four decades. And so. You know, for us, it kind of the intersection of addressing all three of those issues, uh, and, and nature more broadly.

Um, and so there's been kind of an awakening to that. Um, these are things that I think humans have intuitively known for quite a long time, even indigenous communities and been doing a lot of these practices for, for centuries. Um, and so it's, I think the world has awakened to these imbalances, not only environmentally, but socially and economic.

And, you know, nature is a kind of way, no matter what your political views are, no matter where you live in the world, it's something that I think we all value once we experienced it. Um, and so it creates a uniting platform to start bringing people together around the different parts of the world, um, to really see how we can all kind of, you know, more or less think about better systems moving forward.

So that's, that's, that's one piece there for sure. Um, so I can happy to go into a little bit more of the, the kind of, um, how, how Arbor day sits in that if you like.

Yeah, I think that there would be helpful context for our listeners to get, you know, I think that what you're doing at Arbor Day Carbon has such a unique role to play.

It would be helpful for our audience to hear a little bit more about the, you know, the specific role that your, that, that Arbor Day has the opportunity to engage with.

Yep. Absolutely. So Arbor Day Foundation in general, uh, is coming up on it's it's becomes on its 50th anniversary this year as, as a nonprofit organization, 150 years as environmental holiday.

Um, We have been participating in the carbon markets ourselves since 2011. And so the foundation for the last few years been nurturing a network of, um, you know, trusted tree planting partners, um, in all 50 states and now in 50 countries around the world. And so a subset of those partners have been developing reforestation products that also generate carbon.

Um, and so we've been helping to finance, um, some of those, uh, tree planting activities and the expansion of enrolling new farmers into these programs, um, throughout the U S throughout areas like Peru and Nicaragua, and even now starting to new programs in Australia, Uganda, Dominican Republic, um, And so we will kind of help kind of more or less, you know, finance a lot of upfront activities that it creates to start these projects.

So paying farmers and training communities, how to source, seed, how to build out nurseries, how to have the right community buy-in and have the communities want to have, you know, trees alongside their agricultural systems and things along those lines. So, um, that's, that's a big part of the system that we help finance.

Um, and it's very expensive to, to, to finance this work. It's always more cost effective to protect what forest we have left in tact versus, you know, rebuild the ones that, that, that, you know, we, we specialize in, but it's a, both the question here it's how do we kind of do, do, do do conservation and restoration activities more or less in the same landscape, sometimes on the same plot of land and the same farmer, um, just to help them maximize not only the services they're providing their commute.

Um, but also to help them optimize income events and opportunities along that way. So we got to help work with partners around the world to balance that side of the equation, design projects for farmers and communities that they're going to have the proper buy-in and the longterm permanence there to address the issues that are important to them.

And then on the corporate side, we work with lots of brands like Microsoft and Proctor and Gamble. Uh, Disney. Um, ultimately these companies also want to be impacting rural communities and ultimately puzzle the impacting environmental. So a better environmental and social outcomes along the way, too. And so we help more or less help companies find the right types of investments into forest and rural communities that aligned to their climate goals, how they would impact rural economies and how they also want impact, uh, habitats and ecosystems.

Um, so we kind of helped kind of nurture that, that intersection. And then. Ultimately now, um, have, have, have been participating in this space, like I said, for, for just a little bit, a little bit over 10 years, um, and sort of experiencing very rapid growth in 2018, 2020, you saw, you know, a proliferation of a lot of companies setting more.

Climate neutral, you know, net zero carbon negative goals. You hear a lot of these terms. We can unpack some of those if you'd like, um, cause they all mean slightly different things, but we, you know, there's just become more and more pressure, you know, I think on private sector companies to be able to be economically profitable, but do that in a way that doesn't cause unnecessary harm to people in ecosystems.

Um, and so, you know, we help kind of guide. Guide that, that, that, you know, I guess ambition that companies have that to help them find the right stories and narratives that not only work for their stakeholders, but also help their companies more resilient from a supply chain standpoint, uh, from business continuity standpoint, um, from how they attract and retain top talent, um, and attract new consumers.

And so it's the kind of intersection of all these worlds. Um, so I'll pause there before what led us to kind of creating a for-profit and a nonprofit.

[Kyle] Yeah, absolutely. And, um, you know, I think what's really exciting about this is it's, it's leveraging multiple kind of tax structures, but really it's all centered under one mission, right?

To, to reduce carbon footprint and to help combat climate change. Right. And to empower companies to take an ownership role in that. Um, you know, one of the one, a lot of what we have talked about. A lot of times is kind of measuring the previously unmeasured, so to speak. And you, you know, it's maybe I wonder if you think it's it's cleaner.

Um, no pun intended they're cleaner in the environmental space than it is in the social space as it relates strictly to a business's operations.

[Jeremy] That's a good question. Can you maybe unpack that for me a little bit further. Um, cleaner how so?

[Kyle] Yeah, just that the, the, the things to measure like greenhouse gases, that's, that's fairly universal that we can talk about, uh, carbon emissions. It's something fairly universal where I think in the social sphere, um, I, I guess I'm kind of answering the question, so we might be able to just pitch this out, but I guess the part that I'm most excited about is that you're, you're bringing attention to something that. Has gained a lot of traction and that you're leveraging very unique structures to develop advocacy, to develop a capitalistic structure around, to, to empower businesses, to take a leadership role in that. So...

[Jeremy] Yep. Got it. Sorry about that. Um, so yeah, I'll address that. I'll address the social, the social side. How about I just the social side from what we're doing at the foundation and kind of why we created Arbor Day Carbon. And then we can maybe come back around to the corporate side on the, on the people's side there.

So on the red carpet side, again, Arbor Day Carbon was created as, as another vehicle and tool to achieve the mission of the foundation, which is in the pirate inspired people to plant, nurture and celebrate trees. And so we've planted about 500 million trees and allow us 50 years organization. And that's something we're very proud of, but that is not sufficient to the size of the environmental, social, economic problems that exist today.

Um, and so as, as a way of illustrating how we're trying to accelerate our impact through the thing we do best tree planting for the benefit of people and nature. Um, we're now basically going to be trying to almost plant that same amount of trees in the next five years, let's call it. Um, and so that acceleration, um, forces us to have to think about our work differently.

Um, it's forced us to think about our work more in the same way. Uh, let's call it like infrastructure finance, tele electric utility, or in a company might think about, you know, expanding, you know, their infrastructure, their not work. And then maintaining that over a multi-decade period to maintain, you know, high quality of service and things along those lines.

And so, um, Right now, like I've mentioned the growth we've been seeing in the card markets. The last couple of years to foundation we've gone about from about a $1 million annual venture to we'll probably exceed about $30 million in revenue this year in about a four year period, the foundation top-line revenues about a hundred million dollars in revenue.

And so likely in the next two to three years. Carbon credits just as a single program. And, uh, you know, social enterprise of the foundation will become likely a majority of the foundation's overall revenue. And at that point, even though we're still only focused on forestry carbon credit products, um, there is a chance that the IRS.

It could view, um, potentially that as unrelated business income in the sense that, um, no longer are we just a tree planting education, nonprofit that helps to get, you know, trees and landscapes and communities around the world and train people the right way to do that. But now we're actually trading commodities, um, that are still derived from forestry, but that the IRS can maybe say no, no.

Now the majority of your businesses in this space, you might be viewed more of a commodity shirt than let's say an education nonprofit. And so we wanted to avoid that issue altogether. We felt really good about still keeping the focus on our mission with the only touching the forestry products. But so now, um, you know, the same way we've been participating in these markets all along of marks to create additional revenue to not only reinvest invest into our forestry carbon projects, but to reinvest in the foundation's broader mission. And so now we'll just basically pay taxes on all those transactions. Before we do that, do that, you know, reinvest it back into the foundation and then continue to reinvest in Excel or that cycle of our work.

Um, so that was one just kind of, very kind of boring, I guess, like business structure and just risk piece that we wanted to address in a very credible, proactive way. The other piece again, around four looking finance and long-term finance is the foundation historically has been an operating foundation where money comes in and goes out typically within like a, a little bit within like a one to three-year period.

Now, unfortunately, carbon projects, um, as we get kind of closer and closer to the landholders and kind of managing the projects ourselves over time, you know, these, these projects have a minimum of, of, of, you know, 40 to a hundred year time period. And so doing this work now in different jurisdictions around the world, both, you know, developed countries like the U S developing countries like Nicaragua and Peru, it just brings a different types of, of, I guess, risk profile politically from natural disasters.

And so we want to be able to balance and manage that. You know, off the 5 0 1 C3 balance sheet and onto Arbor Day Carbons, um, just to be able to kind of again, manage risk where we, where we see best to where it can be best. You know, we managed proactively for our business goals and objectives. Um, and then the foundation's designed to be here in perpetuity.

So in the fact that something were to go wrong in our work, um, which we have different risks mechanisms to avoid that. Nothing is putting the foundation in jeopardy, um, especially with our deep tie here to Nebraska historically. Um, the other main things are, you know, this is where it gets more exciting on the people's side is to attract and retain top talent.

Um, we're now at this kind of convergence of not. You know, training foresters to be able to measure these impacts, but how to use finance financial instruments, um, to help, you know, bring, you know, understanding the having patient investors, finding the right investors into our work. Um, The understand how to hedge different types of risks on a forward looking basis, um, better than, than I can myself.

Um, and then also, um, to be able to also then we're seeing now this, you know, different types of technologies come into our space, remote sensing technology, LIDAR, to be able to measure the impact of the higher level of detail more in real time, um, that can use technology. That's grounded by our people on the ground, but not have to rely solely with people on the ground doing more kind of manual forestry.

That we've had to rely on this directly in that space. Um, and so it's, it's really kind of allowing us to create this infrastructure to kind of grow into, to continue to be proactively managing, um, the type of impact we want to be having on the world and the communities that we're serving. Um, and this is a new vehicle for us to do that.

And I'm just grateful to be at the foundation where we have leadership that, um, sees opportunities and is willing to pursue how to creatively explore them and find a way to make it work for us, um, without sacrificing our core values and anything that, that, you know, um, would put any type of credibility, uh, concern whatsoever.

[Graham] Jeremy, I want to take a, a little bit of a step back here and, and, and get a little bit of that high level perspective, because one of the things that you are. Talking about here is obviously, you know, increased revenue opportunities that are coming through this. You're, you're mentioning a lot of, uh, large or organizations that you have the opportunity to be working with.

Why is this all coming to a head at this point in time? And how are our businesses seeing environmental stewardship, tangibly impacting their business?

[Jeremy] Yep. So I think a lot of the focus, um, historically on, on companies and how they try to create, you know, de-carbonization plans and transitions towards going to energies has been focused on like energy production and transportation.

Um, the kind of literally like the energy side of of the market. And I think, uh, this addition of an awareness of nature is that, you know, nature is its own kind of, I guess you'd call it technology in the sense that nature right now, for us agriculture, wetlands and the oceans, um, have already been kind of solving the imbalances that humans created with greenhouse gases.

And so it, you know, for us and, and, and oceans in particular are really already absorbed about half the carbon that humans emit. Um, and they're doing it a very cost-effective scalable immediately available way. And so what we're trying to do is just understand those systems, understand how nature's already doing these services for us effectively, um, and, and, and unlock that just at a much larger scale.

Um, ultimately there's, there's so much excess carbon in the atmosphere right now, nearly over north of a trillion metric tons, which is hard to imagine, um, a lot of credit, even if exactly, even if we went to zero carbon today, the plan will continue to warm and the climate would continue to get more extreme.

Um, and so the best, ultimately we have to remove. Um, a lot of that excess carbon and truly stabilize the climate. And that's where nature has been doing that really for millions of millions of years. Um, and so it's really kind of recognizing, um, that, that, you know, without nature we'd already be in a lot worse shape from a climate standpoint, if it wasn't being that buffer of absorbing how far emissions.

And so how do we continue to use that as a buffer, um, really enhance its capacity to do these services versus continue to diminish its capacity to do these services as we're talking. Turning to produce energy, more cleanly transportation, more cleanly, produced food, more cleanly. Um, so it's really that kind of recognition of, of nature of the technology, how it's already doing the services and how we can harness that power, um, in a much more effective way than the machines that maybe we'd create to try to do the same.

And so that that's been ultimately one of the big recognitions. And then I think also, um, the fact that nature provides all these other services. In addition to being able to remove and store carbon. Again, we've talked about, um, clean air, clean water habitat, rural economic opportunities. Um, you get all of these things when a product is designed, implemented well, in addition to the carbon accounting impacts.

Um, so for us, it's, it's, it's it's companies recognizing it it's a both equation here. If we got to kind of decarbonize. These, I guess, engineered systems that we have on the planet. Um, and then also, how do we kind of like restore nature and, and protect what's left there. Um, and so it's using, it's using both these, both, both these tools to our advantage.

[Kyle] That's great. I love the idea of like, let's empower nature to do what she does best, right? Yeah. And getting companies in on, uh, on being able to do that. So, um, I think I'm going to ask maybe a semi-final question here, but what, what call to action would you have for the audience today? You know, what, if they want to engage in that process of empowering nature and decarbonizing, um, how would they engage with.

[Jeremy] Yeah. There's lots of different ways. Um, our team is constantly growing both at Arbor Day Carbon, um, and across the foundation doing this work, um, in, in different ways, leveraging, you know, philanthropy and market based mechanisms to help people, um, you know, live into our. And so there there's, there's constant ways where we're growing, we're now at the foundation.

So I'd definitely check out our careers web page, um, and, and definitely reach out to our team here locally in Lincoln and Nebraska City. Um, if you're here in Nebraska listening, that is, and then, um, you know, I think we work with lots of. People around the world then I think if you're, if you're a, you know, a company or a business leader, um, you know, make sure your company is thinking about these things proactively, making sure you're thinking about, um, you know, your deeper impacts, you know, and your deeper responsibilities, not only economically, but also socially and environmentally.

Um, and so making sure you're sending up your company, you know, or adapting your company to think through some of these adaptation and mitigate mitigation strategies of understanding, measuring and understanding your emissions. Um, reducing that rapidly, uh, aligned with, with the best science, um, balancing your emissions credibly with, with, with nature and other investments in, into clean technology, um, and then celebrating his accomplishments, um, you know, celebrating them in a way.

That's not like a compliance exercise, but in a way that actually engages your people on to create deeper, shared purpose and meaning for what it means to be successful at your company, but then how your company touches your community, that touches nature. And ultimately, as you go through this process over and over again, over time.

Um, we start to value, um, you know, all, all of these things, again that have historically somewhat been undervalued. Um, and so there's, there's, I think that responsibility that we have as a business and, and, and, and, you know, community leaders on the demand side, I think on the land side, It's hard to care about things you don't experience.

And so we have this ethos, ethos at the foundation, um, for Arbor Day Carbon called Touch the Land. And so whether that's, you know, going and, you know, you know, literally going on a hike in a city park, um, you know, getting out to a farm of, for. Um, getting your hands dirty, actually kind of doing something, whether it's, you know, you know, vegetable gardening or, you know, planning a, a windbreak on your own property or, you know, helping to restore a tree canopy in your community where it's maybe needed most and typically underserved communities.

How are you kind of, you know, thinking, um, I guess getting outside of the built environment since so many of us live in cities and how are you kind of bridging and understanding where, um,

Commodities come from, whether it's a wood product, a food source. Um, and so that's, I think, uh, something that we try to encourage is, you know, have a come along for a forest as it go, go kind of talk to local. Farm producers or people that are actually in the, in the land use sector. Um, most of them want to be applying these types of practices.

They just need to be compensated to, to do it effectively and to be trained and to have additional capacities and how their communities can benefit longterm. And so it's really about kind of like bridging these two worlds, people that are living in cities, people are living in rural parts of the world to see that they're actually on the same team that can benefit from each other.

Um, we might use different terminology. Um, and some might be care, care more about things like climate. Um, some things, some people might care more about like clean air and clean water, but ultimately we're talking about the same things in the end. Um, and so, um, that, that's probably my, my one call to action is if sometimes.

Point, you know, the fingers of, of, you know, the people and, you know, the cities are consuming too much or the people in the countryside aren't producing things effectively. It's I think how do we kind of, you know, see that, that, you know, we got to kind of recreate the system together, um, to be more connected and be more accountable to each other.

Um, and I think we get a lot of, of wins, um, not only environmentally, but also economically and socially. Um, when we see that, um, we all have to benefit from a better design system.

[Graham] Jeremy, thank you so much for your time today. We really appreciate you speaking.

Uh, it's, it's amazing to get to hear more about what Arbor Day Carbon is doing.

Um, and thank you for dropping all the knowledge bombs on us today. Uh, it's really amazing to get to hear.

[Kyle] Heads spinning

[Jeremy] No problem.

[Kyle] And I, and I feel like we could go for hours. Uh, so I think we're going to have to have you back, Jeremy.

[Jeremy] Yeah, no happy to do it anytime.

[Kyle] For our listeners, uh, you know, where else, where can they find you?

How can they reach out and, uh, learn more about either you or the work that Arbor Day Carbon is doing.

[Jeremy] Yep. So, um, Arbor Day Carbon, um, we can check us out. Uh, we have a LinkedIn page, um, just @ ArborDayCarbon. Check us out there. Um, we also, you know, can go to our website

Um, can reach out to me. I'm on Twitter at Jeremy Manion, um, or my LinkedIn page. Um, so there's lots of ways you can kind of get in touch with us. Um, our offices here in Lincoln are at 12th and P. Um, and so, um, also if you want, feel free to come by there, the farm, uh, I'm out in Nebraska City. Um, but yeah, we're, we're, we're around and we're accessible.

[Kyle] Awesome. Thanks again, Jeremy.


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