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In this special Do More Good takeover episode, Graham Pansing Brooks and Andrew Tuzson of The ROI of Why Podcast, speak with J.D. Messinger about his journey and impact in the business world and beyond. Do More Good is a nonprofit organization that is working to amplify businesses and leaders doing more good and holds a yearly event called the Do More Good Conference. This year’s featured speaker is J.D. Messinger who will cover the 12 Habits of Authentic Leaders. Those interested in attending the event on May 4th are encouraged to sign up on Do More Good's website. Use the term “seachange” when checking out to receive a special discount!


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[Kyle] Hey everybody. We are back with another episode of The Stream of Conscience Podcast. And we've got something a little different for you today. You might've noticed you didn't hear the, the traditional intro because we have a little bit of a podcast takeover. Our friends at Do More Good and The ROI of Why Podcast have a great conversation with J.D. Messinger, who is speaking at the Do More Good Conference next week, on the 12 Habits of Authentic Leaders.


Graham, do you want to give them a little background on the speaker?


[Graham] Yeah, we're really excited about this event that's upcoming. SEAchange is a sponsor of the event, and for those of you that don't know Do More Good is a nonprofit organization that is working to amplify businesses and leaders doing more good. And so this event that's upcoming next week is a great educational event, a chance to dive in and learn from businesses and leaders that are using business as a force for good.


And as Kyle mentioned, the upcoming event is called the 12 Habits of Authentic Leaders. If you haven't had a chance to get tickets yet, definitely go online and go to domoregood.com and sign up to secure your seat today. If you, if you go ahead and type in the word, "SEAchange" as you're checking out, you'll also get a nice discount on your ticket price so.


[Kyle] I love discounts.


[Graham] We sure do. And you know, J.D. Is just a really incredible person. He's had an incredible career. His, his bio and rap sheet is as impressive as anything out there. And he is just gonna really be able to come in and provide us a lot of amazing context. You'll hear from him here on this podcast takeover, and we're just really excited for the upcoming event.


So hope to see you next week and we'll look forward to the Do More Good Conference.


[Kyle] Enjoy.


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[Graham] Welcome to The ROI of Why Podcast, where we explore all things, purpose and impact as it relates to business. This season, we've been connecting with speakers at The ROI of Why Conference. We're all aligned behind the belief that we are here to do more good in the world. Today's guest is J.D. Messinger, founder of The Messinger Institutes.


J.D., we're really thrilled to have you with us today for our. Help us understand some of the work being done by The Messinger Institute and what it is that you do.


[J.D.] Well, first of all, thanks for having me. I'm honored to be here. The mission of The Messinger Institute is to create heart centered leaders who are authentic, congruent and bold for what I call the new paradigm.


And by authentic congruent in bold, we mean that, you know, a leader who understands. Who they are, why they're here, has gone through the, the work or the inner journey to heal their wounds, conquer their fears, discover their gifts and powers and, and, you know, be a person of integrity and principles and, you know, know what they stand for, know what they will fight for.


And you know, more importantly, as you say, do more good, you know, I say, you know how bridge the great divide. And be a force for good.


And so what does that look like? Right. Like when you're working with different individuals, I mean, is this like a one-on-one or group coaching scenario? Like walk me through how, how you function.


We've got about 20 different programs sort of the whole launch, a lotta is, is a leadership development program that lasts from a year to never ending for those that want to continue 3, 4, 5 years. And that includes one-on-one coaching self-paced courses. Group discussion forums and a bunch of podcast tips, journals, webinars, and things like that, that, that take a person.


So my, the methodology is called the life fusion methodology. And so we fuse the four quadrants of a person's life. So I like to say you know, I interviewed Stephen Covey many times on my CNN radio show and he was a very spiritual person, but in his book, the seven habits for highly effective people, he didn't have the spiritual quadrant.


And I asked him about that once and he said, you know, J.D. The book was written in 1989 and the world wasn't ready for it then. So we, we covered the spiritual quadrant. We help a person mentally, emotionally, physically, and spiritually in the inner game, and then in the outer game. So then you could take that full life fusion program and break it up into about a hundred little parts and pieces for people that just want to.


[Andrew] That's awesome. How long have you been, how long have you been doing. When did you found it?


[J.D.] I probably should give you the backstory because otherwise it won't make much sense or rather it will make a lot more sense, but give you the backstory. But The Messinger Institute was only created in about 2017, 2018.


And I was the CEO of Ernst and Young Management Consulting in Asia. And I had been a nuclear submarine officer. Graduate from the Naval academy. I had my neck crushed in 1985 when I was refueling a nuclear reactor on the submarine and overhaul. And so flash forward. 15 years later when I'm the CEO of BY and I'm at the time I'm consulting and advising the Singapore prime minister, the joint chiefs of staff and crisis response.


And I break my neck again from the old injury. And what happened is, is a little unusual, strange. I left my body and. I, I left my body. I was floating above my body and watched it collapsed like a ragdoll. And I went through the tunnel, like you know, Starship enterprise taken off and work drive.


And I never told anyone that story for 12 years. I was familiar with the concept because it's one of my commanders in the Navy was a Vietnam pow with John McCain. Paul Delante who just passed. And he would talk about, you know, how, when you were tortured, you would, he would leave his body. And, you know, I knew what that meant, but now I did.


Right. But the, it took me six months to learn how to walk and talk and chew gum again. But what happened was I was like living in, in one foot in the physical, visible world and one foot in an invisible world because when I started to get bombarded with ideas and insights and. For awhile. I thought I was going crazy.


And I one vision was a game and I made this game at nine hours and it was about a three or $5 billion contract a month later. And then I had a vision on a television show. Now, mind you, I didn't know anything about it. Any of this stuff. And I ended up unlocked it. It's a download, you know, and am I created, produced and hosted the world's first reality entrepreneur television show, which was the number one hit in its time.


Slot and channel got aired on discovery worldwide. And so during the day I was advising these senior people and at night I'm getting these visions and insights and downloads. And as I said, it was driving me crazy. So I quit my job as the CEO, and I thought, I'd go into one year. Quit. And I was seeking the answers to who am I?


Where did I come from? Why am I here? Where, what is the, where, where does, what is the source of an idea where if I'm getting these visions or insights, what is the source of that? And how am I receiving them? And it took 12 years and I never told anyone what had happened. And I started you know, meeting people, you know, I discovered Walt Disney saw Epcot in the dream that, that Tesla saw the AC motor in a vision and withdraw it for 10 years.


Not knowing what it was. Mozart didn't hear me. He didn't write music. He heard music. And he interviewed, so I launched that radio show, which was my secret project for me to contact anyone, to interview them. So I interviewed Nobel laureates and theologians and famous inventors, and they started painting the story.


And so I then started speaking and I got to ask by the global CFO conference to give a speech. And I was like, what do you want me to give a speech? You know, I'm terrified to tell anybody my story. We're like, no, no, no. We want you to tell your story. Well, what ended up happening over? Well, there was a major event.


I wrote a book in 12 days in May and I just saw the words. I had no idea what it was. And when I was done, my wife said what you've been doing. I said, I think I wrote a book. And she said, what's it about? I said, I don't know, I haven't read it yet. And, and it went on to hit number one in like six categories and it won five global awards.


And that became like stepping out party. That was the first time I had to come out and tell the world that, that here I was this distinguished graduate from the Naval academy my class. CEO of BY and all that. And I'm talking about la la woo woo stuff, you know, scared the hell out of me. But I had then started coaching people and, and all, everyone who came to me as an entrepreneur and CEO entrepreneurs.


So I developed a methodology to help them identify their seven fears, heal their seven major wounds resolve the six major battles. And unleash their power. And I developed, I realized I had to work on their inner game of their mind, thoughts and beliefs. So I call that the inner game. And that success in the outer game is 90% or a hundred percent everything from the inner game.


And so then I worked on the outer game of, you know, building business and innovations teaching on how to use what I called their invisible gifts and powers. So after about a thousand clients in 2015, I started to think that I had a methodology. So I took me another year to make the meth life fusion methodology.


And I launched The Messenger Institute with a private group. And so then we kind of went public in about 2018 private company. But I mean, we launched publicly in around 2018. So that's the Genesis.


[Andrew] But either way. You talking about punch list or a rap sheet? My God I feel like John C. Riley and stepbrothers there has been like, did we just become best friends?


Because I have all the questions. This is like, what you're describing. Like, this is my jam. Right? Like, I love these types of conversations and these topics. And one thing I will call out, like, I'm sure you know, this, you've heard this many times, but like when you, you made the comment, like I thought I was going crazy.


[J.D.] Right. So many times I've seen and heard, you know, the sentiment that like the crazy don't think they're going crazy. Right. It's like the people that are exactly right.


Here's, what's the fascinating thing I discovered drew was that the most successful entrepreneurs would come to me and say, I got to tell you something.


You're not going to believe. And I'm like, dude, there's nothing you're going to tell me. And they'll say, But this one guy calls me up and he says I hear voices. And I said, oh, that's great. And he goes, I don't think they're great. And he go, why not? And he goes because of what they say. And I said, what did they say?


He says, run duck, shoot. I said, what? He says, I'm an undercover federal agent. And I can't tell you how many Navy seals. And undercover agents have contacted me and told me their stories, that they have saw some of the greatest criminal crimes with nothing, but some sort of invisible gift, a vision in their mind's eye.


I can't tell you how many entrepreneurs have told me. They see their invention. Before, and it's like that virtual piano. So, or pianist who broke his neck, didn't know anything about piano. And then he started playing piano there. So there's something that happens in our spine, which of course is where all of the information is flowing up and down your spine.


Yeah. Going through the medulla oblongata and getting up to the frontal cortex and the, you know, the frontal cortex is the center of consciousness. Right. And it gets shut off by the medulla oblongata from. And so if, as soon as you get into fear, you're losing your consciousness. You're not able to invent and visualize and tap in.


So you've got to do breath work. You've got to, you know, there's a whole bunch of stuff. We can go deeper into what you have to do, but what these entrepreneurs and leaders have learned to do is to trust. Their intuition to trust these insights. And then they have to have the confidence and courage to act on it, which is a whole different thing.


[Andrew] Right. I mean, I feel like so many times, like, and I've been there myself, like looking around you know, whether it's just, you know, people at work, people at target going through the motions and it's like, it's, you're alive, but you're not really living. Right. And it's like the basis of some real existential crisis ship for sure.


But like the, the people that are the ones that make impact make change, whether you're talking about like, you know, a force for good or inventions music, the creators. The stories, the experiences of these things being like gifted to them, like from the metaverse almost it's, it's so fascinating. And so I've done a lot of research and gone down a lot of rabbit holes.


And I've also interviewed a lot of people in different spaces. You know, about those types of ecstatic experiences, like ecstatic, meaning out of status or, you know, an out of body and I met this dude at a conference in California. His name was Dr. Steven Lenny's from Australia and he's a. And you know, he's banging up dentist.


He'd probably give grandma a run for like best teacher of the year award. That's where your Grammy does. Graham has great feet for real. But this student's like, like side, like ventures and things that he's researching and writing books about his is all about like ancient meditation techniques and practices.


And it's like, Science is just now starting to catch up to where, you know, essentially similar experiences to people when they experience like visions or out of body experiences, like with an mental dimethyltryptamine or DMT. And they're able to like, see this. Like side to existence and what it means to be in a human and like all these bigger things than just, you know, what we think of when we think of our day, right?


Like I gotta get up, I gotta go to the bathroom. I gotta like troll this thing for a, you know, Facebook for whatever it's going through those motions and that like, I guess, breaking of the shackles. It's something that is like God, so powerful and amazing. It's so cool to hear your story and hear your experiences, and then hear you run with them over and over again.


[J.D.] Let me tell you, see, you know it's important to do the work and the work is, you know, becoming present and learning forgiveness and healing, your wounds and all that. But. What I like to start off by saying to people is we are a being of unlimited power and potential unlimited power and potential to create wonders, whatever wonder that is.


The only thing that stops us is your imagination. Now, you know, as a leader, you can't take anyone any deeper than you've gone yourself or help them imagine anything farther than you could imagine yourself. And the thing that stops us is our fears and our wounds and the confidence and courage and things like that.


But. To you know, I'm a nuclear engineer, advanced math major. I dive into the science and the physics, you know, like you wouldn't believe. And you know, our brain is the most powerful supercomputer in the world. It's processing 38 trillion operations a second. And that's 10,000 times faster than my Mac book pro no.


Information is not the only thing that exists in the universe is energy information and matter. Okay. And given that we've got the most powerful supercomputer in our brain, you're, you're able to act like a mobile phone or an iPad. Okay. And you do that by setting your intentions and having motivations, you know, intentions, what you want to, what the motivation is it ego or is it hard?


Is it desire or fear? Okay. And so you set filters in your mind. To open, send or receive information that you're looking for. When I was in new fuller submarine officer, we were trailing a Russian submarine with a sonar. You couldn't hear it with all the snap and shrimp and sing and whales. So what are you doing?


We put in a filter. That blocks the frequency of what we don't want. That's what you're doing with your brain. Now, your brain is the computer, but the mind is the processor. The mind is not physical, you know? And you don't have any storage device in your brain. It's not like you got a hard. So your super computer is able to tap into and send and receive information from beyond your body.


And I know that might sound crazy, but all you have to do is think about it for a little while, and you you'll realize that when you send out an answer a question, you receive an answer. Now, these inventors. Who have learned to do grounding or yoga or breath work, and breath work is very important who have learned to shut off the amygdala and activate.


Now all that stuff is the work and it's important, but it has nothing to do with the why. And I always go don't confuse the techniques or the methods with the purpose and the objective. The purpose is for you to discover what I call your Trinity of passion, power, and purpose, which is your, why your, why is three questions?


It's passion, you know, what is it that I get passionate about? And it is my power. What are the gifts that I've got and how am I using those gifts? And then what is the need that I'm fulfilling? And so, you know, I love your ROI of. Because it's all about the wine. It's all about the passion, because everybody was born with a dream, a gift and a purpose, and you've got something unique that you're supposed to do that it isn't about your ego and it's not about your attachments or yourself gratification.


And that's part of the journey. That's why many egotistical. People fail because you know, there's no amount of money toys or some sensual pleasure gratification. That's going to fill the emptiness in you until you have learned to heal yourself in your wounds and find love and forgiveness and be of service to others.


[Andrew] Straight up, right? Like we can't be happy.


[J.D.] got on my soap box gone too long.


[Andrew] I love it. Right? Like you can't be happy with anything unless you figure it out in here. First. I love speaking the language that I'm tracking 1000%


[J.D.] There's a great book called doctor by Dr. Vendor called The Body Keeps the Score.


And after you read that, you'll learn. If you didn't already know that we are. You know, my father was an alcoholic who beat me, my mother abandoned me and I never had any new toys at Christmas time. And then my first new pair of clothes that had a price tag on it, I didn't know what that was until I was 10 years old.


You know? So we, we something. I'll forget or I'll skip this statistics. Cause I don't remember them. But when you add up the number of us that were beaten had alcoholic, parents had substance abuse were abandoned or watched fights and all that. It's all of us and, and those leave wounds and those wounds block our powers.


That's what the seven major wounds are. Fear, blame, shame, guilt, persecution, betrayal, and they block our confidence, courage, creativity, ingenuity, and so forth. So that's what I meant. When I said earlier, I helped them heal. The seven major wounds conquer the seven major fears unleash your seven major powers.


That's what we do.


[Graham] And J.D. It, as you're, as you're working with individuals and leaders, you know, where, where are you seeing some of these big barriers? Because even just walking through this and explaining sort of what the processes behind it, it takes an incredible amount of vulnerability and perhaps confidence to, to dive into that.


[J.D.] Great. Great question. So, so it took me a long time. That's why it took me, you know, whatever number of years to figure out the life fusion, which, you know, I learned as a management consulting to make methodologies. Right. And what I discovered the first step is you've got to open the mind, you know, you can't put anything in a cup that's full, right.


So you've got to expand where. Some people do that in three months. Some do it in 12. Some never do it. The second stage is you've got to awaken to your true identity. What, who are you? What is it that you do well? And the third, and that could take. Or three months. It all depends. If a person's ready. And the answer to your question is the third stage.


The third stage I call slaying the dragon and the dragon is the ego. The dragon is attachments that if you, the vast majority people who face. We'll fail in the third stage. Now the fourth is igniting passion, unleashing power, and creating your legacy, but they will get stuck and stop when they can't slay the ego, the attachments, and they can't slay those because of fear.


And those attachments come from a fear and every one of those fears eventually gets back to feeling unloved, unworthy, or unwell. You know, we can all think of some major industrial figures or political figures out there who are narcissistic or abusive. And what they're doing is they're crying out for attention.


You know, billion, I've worked with billionaires, they keep buying more building more, and none of it fills in the emptiness because they haven't gone back to the wound. And that's because of their. Sorry, another long answer.


[Andrew] I like the long answers J.D.


[J.D.] It's the hardest thing. Now what happens? So then the question you should ask then is so how many people go through the journey?


You go through the journey. When the poop hits the fan, you have the divorce, you have the bankruptcy, you have the near death. Something takes you down on your knees. Where you're begging, please save me when you get to that point where you can't go any deeper, hopefully you've, haven't you get there before you have that deep, painful moment.


Unfortunately, most don't, you know, they have to go through that failure and suffering and before they're ready to. Now, now I'm talking, I'm talking about a particular class of person. I'm not saying everybody has to do that. I'm talking about the people that you know, are powerful, wealthy, egotistical entrepreneurs or executives.


I mean it's darkness. Right, right. You got to go through the dark and night before the dawn, the day. So out of that, they find humility and that's when you start coming, you know, it's, you're going like this, you go, you hit bottom down the hole, then you climb back up. You know, I hit bottom, you know, it was horrible.


I made millions and lost millions, you know?


[Andrew] So, so you talked about like the seven fears, right? And like how those like actually, you know, achieving our full potential and like going to the next level of being, you know, what it means to be a human. You, you, you listed all of those off and that makes sense to me, like is what do you see?


Like some commonality where most people get stuck with fears or are there some fears that you're seeing as like more prevalent than others? I'm just kinda curious.


[J.D.] Well, the fears at the superficial, you know, you ask why three times, five times, right? Why, why, why at the surface, the fear might be, it looks like, oh, I don't, I have a fear of public speaking.


Well, why aren't you courageous? And then you go, well, I don't really believe in myself. I can't tell you how many multimillion dollar successful entrepreneurs I've met that have an extremely low self-esteem. Okay. So you think it's because you're not courageous. Okay. But courage is, it is having fear, but running into the fire because the passion is greater than the fear itself.


And so, okay. So. Now, what is that? Why do you think you can't speak? Oh, because I really don't believe that I'm a good speaker. Where did that come from? You know, before you know, it, you get down to a root wound. So I'm trained in, in a lot of psychological methods and hitting the therapy and things like that.


And I'll do regression with clients or my staff or resources will, and you'll get down to some original wound and that original wound. Well look, something like a woman who was running. A little girl who was raped by her father. A father told his daughter at the breakfast table that she was a woman she's not good enough.


Smart enough, never go to college, never amount to anything. 30 years later, a rupture in the boardroom when any man says something because the condition was a man sitting at a table who had authority and that created a tape. And so these tapes stay in us like dormant serpents, you know, and another one it could be the alcoholic father in my case, who beat me and I, when I was a kid, I used to go hide in the closet.


Didn't remember that until I had my own therapy at 44, you know, and having the abortion. Losing a brother or sister that drowned in the lake that you couldn't save, you know, it, all these things that go back to some moment in time where there was a tape created that is still ingrained in you.


It's fascinating, right? It really is.


[Graham] So, J.D. Let's let's take this to the, to the other side, which would be. Once you've worked with individuals and once you have gone through the fires of hell, so to speak and, and are, you know, what do you see as being the impact of working with individuals and working them through this process?


And how does that connect to you know, purpose to the, you know, a lot of what you're talking about, I think is the connectivity of the universe and the connectivity of people. And so how does, how does it translate? And what's, you know, what's on the other side.


[J.D.] You're the careful thinker here. Right? You ask great questions. These, these are great questions. So what happens on the other side, which I would call the outer. Okay. The outer game is their relationships. Improve. Their marriages get healed, they lose weight. They get, they get physically more fit, but in their business they have a realization.


And the first thing that starts to happen is they start selling and doubling or tripling the size of their business because they now have confidence and courage. They believe in themselves. Which has confidence and they have the courage to act. And so they start recognizing that there's opportunities all around them, that they were afraid to pursue before.


So their businesses usually grow significantly and like multiples, you know, every year. And then. If they, they go really deep, they've done, you know, they they've discovered who they really are. They discovered their purpose and, you know, one guy was. He was rushing and he wanted to be an Olympic coach, excuse me, an Olympian.


And he didn't make the Olympic team, but his teammates did. So then he traveled to Israel and tried to get on the Olympic team in Israel and he didn't make it there. So then he moved to the United States, convinced that his life was a failure and he never became an Olympic fencer. And he started a little coach teaching a company, teaching people and it grew and it grew and it grew and, you know, That Nan's the national Olympic coach now.


And I get goosebumps when I say it because, and his name skip his name, but I asked him what about his journey? And when we were talking and sort of synthesizing it all, and he said, you know, I realized that my pain was that I never became an Olympian, but I discovered that my pain was my purpose. 'cause I wasn't supposed to be an Olympian.


I was supposed to be an Olympic coach, you know, so he stepped into his purpose, you know, not to go too deep into the wounds, but sexually molested little girl became a sexual therapist for children. The homeless boy became a builder. Our passion has two aspects to it. Part of the passion is that we want to help someone not feel the pain or suffering that we dealt with.


And the other part of the passion is a positive element. Like I want to make the world a better place, you know, I wanna, I want to do more good, but there's, there's a root in us that once we heal it, then we become the teacher. And so that's what I'd say is discovering your true. Why, why you're really doing what you're doing is, is motivated by something very deep and subconscious.


And when you uncover that and you heal it, you explode and then everyone feels. And you're happy. All of a sudden you're happy part of being happy. You give them endorphins and then you start losing weight and you start sleeping less, you know, everything in your outer game explodes.


[Andrew] That's incredible. I mean, maybe talk to us a little bit then about like the future, like for you, right?


I mean, the stories that you just described to us, you're not exactly. You know, handling lightweight things like these are all very, very heavy things that you're helping people navigate. Right. And so like, what is your legacy look like? Like what is the future of Messinger Institute?


[J.D.] Yeah. That's a great question. And you know, since it's only in its infancy a few years old, I know what I want. And I've started to develop it, but I want to scale I would like to have thousands of practitioners licensed in life fusion methodology, and that has nothing to do with money. If I made money, I'd probably give most of a way because they don't really need any money to survive or live.


More than I have, you know, I've been successful, but I'd like to have thousands of practitioners. Training millions of people, because this is a lifelong journey. One of the problems we have is we don't have a common framework. You know, when I was a Cod Y we trained 60,000 employees around the world on a common methodology, which was called fusion, fusion, fuse together, people process and technology.


You might've heard of that. But in 1995, that was a really weird concept to bring together HR people with technology, people, with business process people. Well cause Michael hammer, James Champy had just written the book on business processes. People didn't even know what it was. So we created a fusion methodology and 60,000 employees learn the same terminology, framework and structures and could communicate together around the world.


We don't have. In our training vernacular. That's what I liked life fusion to be. I'd like it to be the overarching framework that takes the, you know, that begins where Stephen Covey left off, he left off the spiritual quadrant. Now let's just talk for a second about what do I mean by spiritual? Spiritual is invisible information.


This conversation is an energy wave. Which is carrying information, which was digits. Those digits became a frequency that's information that is invisible. That is spiritual information, love, compassion, confidence, everything that you think is most important to me, I call spiritual invisible. And so that's 99% of reality.


That's a, that's a math physics number nine. You know, pull a number out of my head. So we have to embrace this, the, the, the root cause for all of the negative emotional reactions we're having. So if I take it up another notch, what do I really want? What I really want is to see our country come together.


You really want to see more unity. I really want to see more companies doing more good because we, we we're, we're tearing ourselves. You know, we're destroying ourselves. This isn't who we are. We're better than this. Come on, knock it off out there. You know, stop beating each other up. You're doing it because you've got a wound.


I call it a FLOP, a faulty limited outdated program. So that's amazing. I love the flop is a faulty limited outdated program. Boom. It's a subconscious virus. It's subconscious belief or thought it's literally stored in your cells. And we got to get that out. FLOPs cause PTSD, you know, I have PTSD. I had to get rid of that, so.


Okay. So let's scale The Messinger Institute, the life fusion program life fusion methodology program, and let's help thousands of. Of leaders and I believe it's got to start with entrepreneurs, you know, I'm not saying that to make you feel good. I'm saying that because I believe it, it won't work in large corporations, the business leaders who are, the entrepreneurs are going to save our country.


Okay. I'm done drop the mic right there. There it is.


[Graham] It is. It is a hopeful perspective. I think. Hearing you talk about it because it, it, as you're talking, I sorta think about Neil deGrasse, Tyson and his conversation around the connectivity of the universe. And. You know, that is something that combines and is uniform to all of us, you know, we're made up of the same Adams sort of the, the, the Celtic version as well of the consciousness being outside of the, the, the head and existing in the world around us.


And, you know, I think that there's, there's a lot of power. And for those that are listening to the, you know, a power in that connectivity and doing that deep work in order to be able to unlock the passion, the purpose, the potential, and be able to pursue that. Not only just for ourselves, but for the collective, for to make the world a better place.


And so I, I, you know, what I hear is to me, optimistic and empowering and hopeful.


[J.D.] Thanks. Let me tell you why. Left-brain nuclear engineer, math major who goes la la woo woo. I, I, sometimes I feel like I'm Frodo who went from here to there and came back again. Right. But one of the things I learned in the fryer or in Wardour, I guess is that we're all one.


Okay. You and I share 99.9999999%. The same day. Francis Collins leader of the human genome project. Who's now the national director of national Institute of health told me that we also have 98 point 98%, the same air, water, and minerals. So dudes, you and I are physically and biologically less than one in 1 billion parts.


Different. Well, wait a minute color of her skin by sexual orientation, gender culture value. We're less than one-on-one billion parts different. So why is the world like crazy? Because the only thing that makes us think we're different. Is the thought itself. And so when you can bring people together on a binding force on a common denominator, whether that's a sports team, whether that's beer, Whether that's beating army, you know, whatever it is, a common, when you bring people together who share a bond, raising children, playing games, you know, anything that is a common bond.


We are in our frontal cortex and we have fun. And as soon as somebody says something that triggers a construct. Political ideological, whatever it touches on a belief that triggers a label, which causes judgment, which hit makes my amygdala go danger, danger. This guy just said something. That's a threat.


So I, I know that fight or flight at that point. Right, right, right. So the negative emotional reaction and marketers use this, politicians use it all the time. They're doing it intentional to use a word, to trigger a label, to create a judgment, to create an action. And so that's happening in the back of the head.


What we have to do is promote the bond. So you're lifting people. You're promoting something that is uplifting and inspirational, which is making me feel good, which is activating my frontal cortex. It's all science. It is great.


[Andrew] This is been hands down. One of my favorite conversations that we've had on this show in a long time.


And we've had some rad conversations with some super intelligent and Eddy people. So like, I just want to personally thank you for giving us a guided tour down this rabbit holes today. I feel like we could have like 19 more of these conversations. Like I could talk to you forever about this stuff.


It's fascinating. For the sake of time cause we want to respect yours. Like what's the next step for somebody that's listening and they're like, I wanted, I wanted no more. I want to explore more. Where did they go to find it again?


[J.D.] They can go to themessingerinstitute.com


Or they could go to jdmessinger.com, go to my contact on either page and send me a message there. And my personal email is jd@jdmessinger.com. You could send it there.


[Graham] Wonderful. J.D., thank you so much for taking the time with us. We're, we're really excited. We'll, we'll need to get you back on here in the near future, but really grateful for your time.


And I know, I know our listeners will feel the same way.


[J.D.] Well, thanks. So you guys are wonderful. It's my honor. I'm really glad to be here. It's been a pleasure.


[Andrew] Thanks J.D.


[J.D.] Thanks, bye.

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